The Nuremberg Trials (Vol.9). International Military Tribunal

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      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: You said: “This is an amusing thing that the Russians must work the guns.”

      What was amusing about it?

      MILCH: What is meant by amusing? . . . peculiar, strange, I cannot say, however, whether this word was actually used. I have not seen the minutes.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I call your attention to the rest of your contribution.

      “. . . 20,000 are still needed. Yesterday I received a letter from the Army High Command, stating: We cannot release any more men, we have not enough ourselves. Thus there is no prospect for us.”

      Whom does “for us” refer to, if not to your industry requirements?

      MILCH: I consider these minutes incorrect, it has never been discussed in this manner, it must be wrong. I cannot accept the minutes as they stand. To clarify this matter I may say that the proposal was to take people out of the armament industry and put them into anti-aircraft defense. We who were concerned with armament did not want to release these men and were opposed to it. That was the idea of the whole thing, and the OKH declared that they did not have enough people.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: I understand the sense of this to be that you applied for certain workmen for the armament industry and that the Army High Command refused to give you the men, saying that they are already employed making guns and on other work. Now, is that the sense of that, or is it not?

      MILCH: No, not quite.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, just tell me what the sense of it is.

      MILCH: As far as I remember, the armament industry was to release 50,000 Russian prisoners of war to the Air Force for anti-aircraft defense, and the armament industry could not spare these people.

      THE PRESIDENT: I am afraid we must adjourn due to some technical difficulty.

      [A recess was taken.]

      THE PRESIDENT: Mr. Justice Jackson, it may be convenient to you to know that we are going to rise at 4:30 today.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: I hope to have finished before.

      [Turning to the witness.] I will ask to have your attention called to Page 2297, in the English translation about Page 28, to your contribution, which reads as follows:

      “Milch: There is of course a front also somewhere in the East. This front will be held for a certain time. The only useful thing the Russians will find in an area evacuated by us, is people. The question is whether the people should not generally be taken back as far as 100 kilometers behind the front line. The whole civilian population goes 100 kilometers behind the front.”

      Do you find that?

      MILCH: Yes, I have found it.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And I understood you this morning to state that it was a rule promulgated in your book that the civilian population should not be interfered with.

      MILCH: From the last paragraph, according to which people were no longer to be employed on digging trenches, it appears that these people were last employed on this work. I cannot say what kind of people these were, only that they were already employed somewhere.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And you knew that. You knew that they were being used for that kind of work?

      MILCH: So it says here. I do not remember it any more. It has been recorded in the minutes, provided they are correct.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And you knew they were being used, the civilian population was being forced to dig trenches for your troops.

      MILCH: Today I cannot remember any more, but at that time it was discussed according to the minutes.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now, I will ask to have your attention called to the minutes of Conference Number 11 of the Central Planning Board, held on 22d of July 1942; German, Page 3062; English translation, 38.

      First let me call your attention to the fact that at that meeting it appears that among those present were Speer, yourself, Körner. Did Körner represent the Reich Marshal?

      MILCH: Yes, for the Four Year Plan; he was the representative for the Four Year Plan.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: At all meetings of this Board, Körner represented the Reich Marshal did he not?

      MILCH: Yes. He represented him as regards the Four Year Plan.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And Sauckel was present, and representatives from the Iron Association, the Coal Association, and the Ministry for Armament and Munitions.

      MILCH: Yes.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: There was considerable discussion of the labor problem, and the requirements of those industries. On Page 3062 I call your attention to this entry:

      “General Field Marshal Milch undertakes to accelerate the procuring of the Russian prisoners of war from the camps.”

      I ask you what measures you expected to take to accelerate procuring prisoners of war from the camps.

      MILCH: As I was a soldier I undertook to submit this question to the OKW, which was in charge of prisoners of war.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: You did not personally deal with the prisoners of war, but you undertook to obtain them from the OKW?

      MILCH: The government had put these prisoners of war at our disposal for work. The transfer was very slow, and as we had to deal with the OKW in this matter, I was asked and I undertook to request the OKW to speed up the transfer.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: Now let us turn to Conference Number 36, dated 22d of April 1943; the English translation, Page 13; German, 2125. There again I call your attention to the fact that Speer, yourself, Sauckel, and Körner were among those present. There again you discussed the labor problem, did you not?

      MILCH: Yes.

      MR. JUSTICE JACKSON: And Körner reported as follows:

      “On 1 April agriculture was still in need of about 600,000 workers. To cover this, labor from the East, mainly women, should be brought in. This labor must be supplied before we take other workers away from agriculture. We are now approaching a very busy season in work on the land which requires many workers,”—and considerably more, which I will not take the time to quote.

      I call your attention to Page 2128, your contribution to that discussion, which reads as follows:

      “If you do what I proposed and what has also been agreed to by Timm, no harm can be done. It should definitely be done. Moreover, I am also of the opinion that in any circumstances we have to bring in workers for coal mining. The bulk of the labor we are going to receive from the East, will be women. The women from the East are, however, accustomed to agricultural work, particularly to the kind of work which will have to be done during the next few weeks, that is, hoeing and planting of root crops, et cetera. We can use women quite well for this. Only one thing has to be kept in mind—agriculture must get the women before the men are taken away. It would be wrong to take men away and to leave the farmers without labor for 4 to 6 weeks. If the women come after that, it will be too late.”

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