Everyone Loves You When You're Dead. Neil Strauss

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СКАЧАТЬ In the case of fans, they say love, but they probably mean respect.32

      STARR: Well, you cannot help but respect someone if you love them. But you can’t say, “Oh, there—that’s what it is.” It’s an emotion. It’s a feeling. It’s a state of being. Not a state of mind, because I don’t know about you, but there’s many states in my mind (laughs).

       It’s easy for people to talk about love, but when it’s so vague like that, I think it’s hard for people to practice it because they don’t have the tools or know how to let go of ego and get there.

      STARR: I think we all have the tools. I’d like to say I’ve looked at peace and love since I was born, but that’s not true. However, I’ve become more conscious of it and it’s become more and more part of my life. My grandchildren, as soon as they see me, they go, “Peace and love,” you know what I mean. It’s how they are.

       Okay, let’s get back to the music. Your song “Peace Dream” has a lot of similarities to [John Lennon’s] “Imagine.” Was that something you were thinking consciously?

      STARR: Well, I brought John into it, is that what you’re talking about? I brought John into it because, you know, you always try as a songwriter to express a moment, and I can always talk about John, Paul, and George. And just like John Lennon said in Amsterdam from his bed, and that was the first time he did that peace thing, so he was trying to move peace and love along, too. So it was a peace dream, you know. It was a natural thing to do. It would have been awkward if you’d have done it, you know what I’m saying. But it was easier for me because I knew the man and, you know, I did know that moment that he and Yoko were in Amsterdam.

       And then you had Paul McCartney play bass on it?

      STARR: Well, he was in for the Grammys, and we always hook up if we’re around. Of course I had to play him the track because of the John Lennon line, and he said “fine” and so he played bass on that.

       When you say you had to play it for him, why is that?

      STARR: Well, because it says “John.” Let’s not be silly.

       You mention a lot of other people by name on the album that you probably didn’t check with anyone about.

      STARR: I mean, you know, John was in the band, Paul and I were in the band. I just didn’t want it to be like we were Beatle-ing out, you know. So I played it to him for that reason. With respect.

      One would think that when someone has been not just a Beatle but also knighted by the Queen of England, they wouldn’t worry so much about what other people think of them. But perhaps it just makes them worry more.

       It’s been a while since you’ve released one of your own albums.

      PAUL McCARTNEY: The record company said to me, “We don’t really need an album this year.” So I’ve just been making music for my own fun. It took the pressure off. It’s just a song album, a regular album, which is cool because there’s been so much Anthology [documentary and CD] stuff around the Beatles.

       So you’re in just the early stages of recording?

      McCARTNEY: Not even. My album probably won’t be out until next spring. There’s probably going to be another Anthology thing around Christmas, so I don’t want to go out in competition with that. It’s a dumb move, and also it doesn’t look right. It looks like I’m trying to upstage the Beatles. It looks like I’m trying to say, “Hey, I’m better than the Beatles.” No, it’s just not the thing to do.

       You’ve also turned Linda’s photographs33 into a short movie about the Grateful Dead. Did you do that before Jerry Garcia died?

      McCARTNEY: Yeah, the sad thing was that I was in touch with a couple of the guys. I spoke to Bob [Weir, Grateful Dead guitarist] and we had a good phone conversation. I said, “Hey, I’m putting this thing together, and I want to show it to you guys when it’s finished.” I finished it and I was just getting back in touch with them, then I went on holiday. When I reached America, I heard on the news that Jerry had died and I thought, “Oh shit, you know, I was just about to show the film to him.”

       Were you both friends?

      McCARTNEY: I’d been in correspondence with him, because he was a painter and I thought he’d like this. Unfortunately, I missed him and the bad thing then was I thought, “Oh shit, there’s going to be a lot of people out there who will think, oh, I’m cashing in on the fact that Jerry’s died.” So I immediately got out a press release and said, “Look, I’ve had this movie for a year now and it’s nothing to do with . . . What’s more than that, I’m not gonna release it now. You know, I’m going to wait for a little while.” So I suppose it has become a little bit of a tribute to Jerry because he’s died.

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