THE COMPLETE WORKS OF PLATO. Plato

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      MENO: I think that he is.

      SOCRATES: If we have made him doubt, and given him the 'torpedo's shock,' have we done him any harm?

      MENO: I think not.

      SOCRATES: We have certainly, as would seem, assisted him in some degree to the discovery of the truth; and now he will wish to remedy his ignorance, but then he would have been ready to tell all the world again and again that the double space should have a double side.

      MENO: True.

      SOCRATES: But do you suppose that he would ever have enquired into or learned what he fancied that he knew, though he was really ignorant of it, until he had fallen into perplexity under the idea that he did not know, and had desired to know?

      MENO: I think not, Socrates.

      SOCRATES: Then he was the better for the torpedo's touch?

      MENO: I think so.

      SOCRATES: Mark now the farther development. I shall only ask him, and not teach him, and he shall share the enquiry with me: and do you watch and see if you find me telling or explaining anything to him, instead of eliciting his opinion. Tell me, boy, is not this a square of four feet which I have drawn?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And now I add another square equal to the former one?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And a third, which is equal to either of them?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: Suppose that we fill up the vacant corner?

      BOY: Very good.

      SOCRATES: Here, then, there are four equal spaces?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And how many times larger is this space than this other?

      BOY: Four times.

      SOCRATES: But it ought to have been twice only, as you will remember.

      BOY: True.

      SOCRATES: And does not this line, reaching from corner to corner, bisect each of these spaces?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And are there not here four equal lines which contain this space?

      BOY: There are.

      SOCRATES: Look and see how much this space is.

      BOY: I do not understand.

      SOCRATES: Has not each interior line cut off half of the four spaces?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And how many spaces are there in this section?

      BOY: Four.

      SOCRATES: And how many in this?

      BOY: Two.

      SOCRATES: And four is how many times two?

      BOY: Twice.

      SOCRATES: And this space is of how many feet?

      BOY: Of eight feet.

      SOCRATES: And from what line do you get this figure?

      BOY: From this.

      SOCRATES: That is, from the line which extends from corner to corner of the figure of four feet?

      BOY: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And that is the line which the learned call the diagonal. And if this is the proper name, then you, Meno's slave, are prepared to affirm that the double space is the square of the diagonal?

      BOY: Certainly, Socrates.

      SOCRATES: What do you say of him, Meno? Were not all these answers given out of his own head?

      MENO: Yes, they were all his own.

      SOCRATES: And yet, as we were just now saying, he did not know?

      MENO: True.

      SOCRATES: But still he had in him those notions of his—had he not?

      MENO: Yes.

      SOCRATES: Then he who does not know may still have true notions of that which he does not know?

      MENO: He has.

      SOCRATES: And at present these notions have just been stirred up in him, as in a dream; but if he were frequently asked the same questions, in different forms, he would know as well as any one at last?

      MENO: I dare say.

      SOCRATES: Without any one teaching him he will recover his knowledge for himself, if he is only asked questions?

      MENO: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And this spontaneous recovery of knowledge in him is recollection?

      MENO: True.

      SOCRATES: And this knowledge which he now has must he not either have acquired or always possessed?

      MENO: Yes.

      SOCRATES: But if he always possessed this knowledge he would always have known; or if he has acquired the knowledge he could not have acquired it in this life, unless he has been taught geometry; for he may be made to do the same with all geometry and every other branch of knowledge. Now, has any one ever taught him all this? You must know about him, if, as you say, he was born and bred in your house.

      MENO: And I am certain that no one ever did teach him.

      SOCRATES: And yet he has the knowledge?

      MENO: The fact, Socrates, is undeniable.

      SOCRATES: But if he did not acquire the knowledge in this life, then he must have had and learned it at some other time?

      MENO: Clearly he must.

      SOCRATES: Which must have been the time when he was not a man?

      MENO: Yes.

      SOCRATES: And if there have been always true thoughts in him, both at the time when he was and was not a man, which only need to be awakened into knowledge by putting questions to him, his soul must have always possessed this knowledge, for he always either was or was not a man?

      MENO: Obviously.

      SOCRATES: And if the truth of all things always existed in the soul, then the soul is immortal. Wherefore be of good cheer, and try to recollect what you do not know, or rather what you do not remember.

      MENO: I feel, somehow, that I like what you are saying.

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